tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post1066165312314973134..comments2023-04-27T08:02:20.816-05:00Comments on The life and thoughts of a midwest geek: Yet another dudes thoughts on health care reform, Midwest Geek styleOhCaptainhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09399011365659793142noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-48516243717343849682010-03-25T05:48:42.843-05:002010-03-25T05:48:42.843-05:00I understand your points. And I agree with the per...I understand your points. And I agree with the personal responsibility issues. In the interest of debate, I would like to point out 2 things.<br /><br />1. The government isn't the only price setter (via medicaid) Insurance companies also set rates and if you go to a doctor without insurance you will pay more than is you had insurance. This seems a bit whacked to me, but having experienced it, at a very brief point in my life when I wasn't covered, know it is true.<br />2. In many states people are required by law to have car insurance. Why? So when they hit you your car and people can be fixed. No one expects to crash, yet we pay thousands a year to cover ourselves in case. Most healthy people expect to stay that way. But, in the event something happens, they are treated and cared for regardless of their ability to pay. How many walk away from this debt? Then who is responsible for the money owed? Us. The insured or paying people pick up the cost in increased prices and fees. So, aren't we getting the short end of the shaft anyway?seashore subjectshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08249164512343867204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-17868948115950714732010-03-24T20:17:29.895-05:002010-03-24T20:17:29.895-05:00Thank you for giving me more to think about regard...Thank you for giving me more to think about regarding the new health care bill. There's so much I don't know and now I know a little bit more. I work for doctors, in their office, and a doctor signs my paycheck, too. So I am more interested in this subject than some. I want to be happy about this bill, but I'm not. There's too much that hasn't been decided or "reformed."SurprisedMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474705305996978532noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-29263386816553458472010-03-24T18:32:55.047-05:002010-03-24T18:32:55.047-05:00You bring up some very solid and valuable points.
...You bring up some very solid and valuable points.<br />I too have issues with the HCR and my list is different than this, but I am grateful for this food for thought.WeaselMommahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01695797746467444304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-55838587049640312392010-03-24T15:39:43.830-05:002010-03-24T15:39:43.830-05:00RE: Your comment about heroic measures: I read a r...RE: Your comment about heroic measures: I read a really interesting book many years ago: How We Die: Reflections on Life's Final Chapter <br /><br />One point he made about government's interference in medicine- Did you know that it is IMPOSSIBLE to die of old age in this country? 'Old Age' is not a valid 'cause of death' on a death certificate. A culprit must be found. <br /><br />I hear what you're saying. If they're gonna pass a law, could it at least be a smart one? One that the average person can read and understand? Whatever happened to the concept of a Patient's bill of rights/freedoms?Rianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12046879765857342869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-16345258592935348412010-03-24T15:06:40.197-05:002010-03-24T15:06:40.197-05:00Good stuff Captain. I agree with you. There was ...Good stuff Captain. I agree with you. There was opportunity for real reform. Nothing has been done to lower costs and make health care affordable. And let's call it what it is. Health care, not health insurance. No one needs to buy health insurance. Oh wait, they didn't. One could save the money themselves. They could have done it with Healthcare Savings Plans but that will go to the wayside. <br /><br />Bottom line... would it have hurt anyone in the D party to sit down with Rep Paul Ryan and work in ideas to lower cost? Because parties are stubborn (notice how I don't single either one of them out here)they felt the need to jam through what they wanted, not what worked out best for the peopel of the country.StBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01363699522256218332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-13920306543757059582010-03-24T13:53:55.563-05:002010-03-24T13:53:55.563-05:00Interesting post, and I appreciate your point of v...Interesting post, and I appreciate your point of view.<br /><br />But I am unclear on your stand. You say near the beginning of your story that you're disappointed in the legislation, and you seem to be saying that it didn't take advantage of the opportunity for real reform.<br /><br />Later in your story that you don't understand why we needed a national solution for a local problem in California et al.<br /><br />You seem to be hinting that all the evidence is anecdotal, not a problem of policy.<br /><br />Do you not think that something needed to be done on a national level about the health care system?DuggleBogeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02919663542675107189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5880191.post-26428262812134246682010-03-24T13:52:24.157-05:002010-03-24T13:52:24.157-05:00I appreciate what you said about my situation in C...I appreciate what you said about my situation in California (and me!). One thing I should point out is that California is not the only state that protects the insurance companies & keeps their underwriting guidelines secret. I don't have a tally, but I'd venture to say that most states have those laws.<br /><br />The main idea that I take issue with in your post is your contention that the tragic stories just muddy the water. I differ with you here because I believe the people and their stories ARE the center of this whole issue. And there are millions of horror stories and sad tales that end with the insurance companies winning and the patients going w/out care, medication, or insurance.<br /><br />Thank you for expressing your opinion, which I respect greatly. We definitely differ on many points, but this is a way to have a civil discussion about it, and I appreciate that very much. :)Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10317720703692599917noreply@blogger.com